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5. Below the Belt

Episode 5
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In this episode, Jack, Seth, and Sam explore the concept of failure in art and its role in personal growth. They discuss a central image in Jack’s linocut “The Spiritual Mechanics of Labor and Rest,” which features the crotch. The focus is on the wrinkles and the word 'obedience.' They delve into the idea of risk in art and how it can lead to beauty and transcendence. They also examine the role of the artist in embracing failure and taking risks. 

They touch on the parable of the talents and the importance of reconciliation and love in the face of failure. They discuss the impact of failure in parenting and the importance of reconciliation in maintaining a loving relationship with children.

The conversation explores the complexity of love and obedience, discussing the innate desires and the role of obedience in addressing shame. It delves into the heart and the meeting place of heart and obedience. The tension between cutting-off and submitting is also examined, along with the idea of holiness as dedication and self-denial. 

The conversation explores the stumbling block and cornerstone of holiness and the relationship between holiness and glory. It concludes with a discussion on the vertical pilgrim and the paradox of low and high, as well as seasons of discouragement and dearth. 

Jack, Seth, and Sam explore the concept of glory and its connection to weight, protection, and vulnerability. They discuss how glory needs the flesh to manifest and how the spiritual is not whole without the material. They delve into the idea that heaven is not just up there, but also within and around us. They reflect on the risk and wager of embracing the lost continents of ourselves and releasing the tourniquet of shame. Somewhere along the way, the talk about the Beat Poets. Ultimately, they encourage listeners to light their own beacon fire of glory and inspire others to do the same.

Takeaways

  • Glory needs the flesh to manifest, and the spiritual is not whole without the material.

  • Heaven is not just up there, but also within and around us.

  • Embracing the lost continents of ourselves and releasing the tourniquet of shame is a risk worth taking.

  • By lighting our own beacon fire of glory, we inspire others to do the same.

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Chapters

00:00
Introduction and Announcements
03:33
Exploring the Artwork: Wrinkles and Obedience
10:11
Failure in Art and the Concept of Risk
16:31
The Role of Failure in Artistic Expression
25:50
The Importance of Failure in Art and Personal Growth
28:21
The Parable of the Talents and the Risk of Art
30:38
Parenting and the Negotiation of Failure
33:13
The Complexity of Love and Obedience
35:06
Navigating the Innate Desires
36:06
The Role of Obedience in Addressing Shame
38:40
Understanding Obedience to the Heart
41:29
The Tension Between Cutting Off and Submitting
43:39
The Meeting Place of Heart and Obedience
45:32
Holiness as Dedication and Self-Denial
50:45
The Stumbling Block and Cornerstone of Holiness
55:09
The Relationship Between Holiness and Glory
01:02:37
The Vertical Pilgrim and the Flipped Tree
01:07:00
The Paradox of Low and High
01:08:07
Seasons of Discouragement and Dearth
01:09:00
The Weight of Glory
01:13:00
Glory and Depression
01:14:01
The Manifestation of the Spiritual
01:17:36
Light Upon Material
01:20:23
The Wager of Incarnation
01:23:29
Courting Miss Understanding
01:27:11
The Risk of Vulnerability
01:33:07
The Wager of Mortality
01:37:19
Releasing the Tourniquet
01:40:17
Embracing the Lost Continents
01:45:51
The Risk of Glory
01:47:26
Redeeming Everything

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